What does everyone think of punisher?
Element, punisher's not really my kind of hero. I'm not really much for the gun toting military anti-hero murdery type of superhero, so I just don't really know much about him at all. So it got me thinking, what do people think of the Netflix/MCU punisher? Is he pretty faithful to the source material? Is there anything you wish he could do better or do you just hate him? I'm interested to know since I have no point of reference
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I'm also not a huge fan of the macho shoot em up style hero. The best part about good Punisher stories is when they're very aware that Frank is not a good man. He's very mentally ill, traumatized and has an incredibly stark morality. It works best when he can be compared to other heroes like Spidey/Cap etc because he's truly just a man who refuses to stop shooting bad guys no matter what.
If you don't mind spoilers, [here's](https://youtu.be/dhakGLCMGWs?si=L66nQFLCrgT36rFc) a great depiction of why I like TV show punisher
[Frank isn't a heartless monster, he can be sympathetic in the comics ](https://share.google/iOJXZsUk173Ncoec7)
But I really like Charlie Cox though!

Shows like Agents of Shield are ones that people question whether they're canon or not, but even AoS has Samuel Jackson and Sif and other characters in it.
\+most things have been spoiled for me already
I think he’s best served as an ex-cop and war-torn Vietnam vet in 70s era New York where crime, drugs, corruption and all were part of the same ecosystem that got his family killed. I think his Italian heritage contrasted against the fear of the Italian mob was kind of critical to grounding him in NYC as a necessary evil.
Today, there aren’t many interpretations where he doesn’t just look like a bully, or an outlaw of the time like Jesse James. An elite but tortured special soldier disillusioned with ethics and tied up in political intrigue with intimate knowledge of every weapon is trite, and it doesn’t hold up in a world where Cap and the Winter Soldier exist.
In comics he’s become difficult to follow because the writers are actively trying to decouple the skull from the right-wing blood lust and reconcile his philosophy with more empathetic viewpoints. Batman has suffered the same criticism for breaking drug dealers’ arms while ignoring the institutions that create crime.
In the MCU, he has to be a bit more contemporary. But I think Bernthal’s Punisher has had too much happen to him, and punishes as a consequence. I’m hoping his upcoming special sees him punishing.
The War Zone iteration was probably the most logically sound interpretation of the comics: fun violence, code-driven, and finds the Punisher embroiled in something deeper because he was punishing. He uncovered deeper criminal corruption while killing criminals. It was weakened by terrible performances around Ray Stevenson.
In the MCU, I also enjoy Frank Castle, but again, mostly as he appears in a side role. When they put him on his own, he's kind of boring:
Middle-aged white guy with special ops training who tried to settle down, but lost everything and now is on a one-man crusade of over-the-top gun violence against "The Bad Guys" ™️ .
Hollywood has put out three movies with that exact premise every year for two decades like clockwork. I was bored of it in 2010. Now, it sickens me.
I don't mind him showing up I just think he should be used rarely. One thing I did like about the Netflix show with Bernthal was that they made him a bad person even before he became The Punisher. In the flashbacks he was a lieutenant in the US Marines but he had no problem executing someone in custody while in Afghanistan.
One thing in particular that I like is how much they really leaned into him being a vet. It's one of those things that we all know about the character, but compared to other adaptations, it's clearly a massive influence on his world view. He's actually very similar to Cap in that he feels lost without a "war" to fight, so he basically created his own war.